Monday, October 08, 2007

Is your content for free?

Hi Everyone,

First I'd like to apologize in advance in case this topic has been discussed already (I thought I remember something but then couldn't find it in the archive).

If not, here's my question: Lately, I have been getting requests through my flickr-account about using one of my food photos for free. One request came from a non-profit organization that makes text books for India. The people seemed to be genuine so I said yes.
The latest request comes from a pr company that produces a special customer magazine for Lindt. Although I'd be flattered to see one of my photos in such a glossy magazine (no matter how small), I feel a little bit irritated that even such a big player doesn't want to pay for content. That said, I try to make a living as a freelance journalist and photographer (not food though).

If there was an opportunity to work professionally with this company in the future, I'd see this as a good investment. However, this is rather unlikely and I feel like it's just another example for how to exploit freelancers.

What do you think about it? What would you do?


This Post was written by Eva from Sweet Sins

23 comments:

Joanna said...
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Haalo said...

I'm going to take another view, why would they ever pay for anything if people give it away for free? I've gotten alot of these "requests" to use my photos for nothing and when your read the conditions of use, they would get royalty free use forever and be able to see the image on without you ever seeing a cent. I always keep in mind the words of a wiser professional photography, the value in your photo comes from the very fact they want to use it. Don't ever sell yourself short. You need to keep in mind every time you give away a photo for free you devalue everyones work.

Anonymous said...

What joanna and haalo said :-)

I get these requests too. I say yes to verifiable non-profits/educational outfits (as in, I can go to their site and see what they are doing, my images have been used in educational books in Argentina), I say yes to vanity things (one of my images was used in "Wonder Pets" on Noggin), but now, if its commercial (even small run magazines, wow do they ever like to play up their small-ness), I remind them that I have my pics set at all rights reserved and that I am a pro photographer and that my images are available for license and would they would like to discuss it further.

Susan said...

All points considered by Joanna, Haalo and Nika are valid. I have agreed on three occasions to allow my photos to be used on condition that they were fully attributed. Even so, I did not get one hit of traffic from what could only be described as marginal exposure.

Early on, before I owned a camera, I bought stock photos for as little as $1 a piece. My thinking now is that if a requester can afford a PC and the software to run their business then they can afford payment for photo usage, even if only token. Eva, you may want to consider opening a stock photo account where you could refer requesters. They can see the prices, and they can buy them or leave them.

Anyone, if willing to do the drudge work, can research public domain or certain Creative Commons shots for nearly any image. Those who want something for nothing are not only cheap but lazy.

Jennifer Maiser said...

Personally, I would decline the Lindt request without payment. I have given my photography away for free but only for a tremendous pay-off of another sort -- big publicity, etc.

I have too many pro/semi-pro photographers around me who remind me that I am not helping the cause when I give my photography away for free.

Here's my post about my experience this year. The national publication in question was the LA times. The photo was printed SUPER small in the print edition, but the pay-off was a google-able byline that is pretty good for me.

http://foodblogscool.blogspot.com/2007/02/photography-pictures-payment-and.html

Anonymous said...

Hello Eva,
I too got a request (for my Pandoro) from the Italian agency who does the Lindt Magazine.

Today I refused to do it. I decided to give my photos for free only for non-commercial use (which I did for a fundraising cookbook). 2 weeks ago I could sell a photo to the Merian Verlag - they offered me 50 Euro which I think is very much ok.

Almost Vegetarian said...

You must, must, must get paid. Always. For everything. I make my living as a freelance writer, and while I am happy to contribute my skills to the occasional non-profit, I charge and charge dearly for my writing expertise.

Lindt pays their PR firm, they pay their printer, they pay to have their materials distributed, heck, they even pay their janitor. They will make a very handsome profit, either directly or indirectly, from their PR efforts, so how dare they not pay you.

If you want others to value you highly, then you have to value yourself highly. If everyone did this, then we would not have this rampant problem now of inferior content (not that I am at all implying that your work is inferior) flooding our media venues and fees lower than they have been for decades.

And, FYI (to an earlier commenter) it is a byline, not a bye-line, and I have never known anyone to get any decent paid work from "exposure." After all, you don't find your corner store giving out free quarts of milk. Ever. (Okay, the free cookie might do it!)

Value yourself. Get paid. And get paid better than the janitor (photographers make hundreds and hundreds per image, and they typically retain the rights).

Good luck.

Almost Vegetarian said...

Here's a link to an entry I posted about PR people some time ago. It is about review product, not giving away content, but it does explain how PR works. I hope it can be of some help.

Cheers!

http://almostvegetarian.blogspot.com/2007/02/for-all-food-bloggers-who-have-ever-or.html

Eva said...

Dear all,

Thanks so much for your thoughts and considerations! I'm quite relieved that my gut feeling was right - a company as big as Lindt should pay. Such a stock account sounds like a good solution to deal with future requests.

Thanks again,
EVA

Anonymous said...

How insulting that they would even ask to use it without some sort of remuneration!

I get asked from time to time and I only grant fellow bloggers use of my photos (and a local non-profit group to use one of my wildlife photos for cards as a fundraiser). (Big paid bloggers take my photos every once in a while, too, but that's another story.)

If the person asking me is getting paid, why shouldn't I get paid too? If it's so easy to take that photo I have, then they can take the time they spent writing that email and do it themselves (hah! it's not that easy is it? ... it does have value after all!)

That said, I've caught companies using photos I've taken of their products on their own sites ... they get an email from me. I always get an apology back and either the photo is removed or I get paid.

Eva - your photos are lovely, I'm glad you're not giving them away! (But you let us see them for free on your blog and that deserves a big thank you too.)

Anonymous said...

Three words: Make Them Pay.

PR@ said...

This is making me chuckle. In the last post bloggers were praising tastespotting who actually take and publish photos without even ever asking permission of the photographers and there was nothing but praise for their actions!

Today we discuss someone who actually took the proper step and asked permission and they are pretty much derided for doing so.

All you have to do is say no thanks if you don't agree.

At tastespotting saying no, as I have found to my own cost, involves self-motivated hard work since you have to chase them down and ask them to remove the photographs that they have already published without your permission.

Sam said...

ps - i do agree with others' consensus that these companies should be paying for the photos - - I didt make that clear, perhaps.

Anonymous said...

Tastespotting is not the same thing as a company, magazine or other venue.

Tastespotting can actually offer real web 2.0 value = traffic.

When it first happened to one of my photos I was like "woah, they stole my photo" but then I watched the hits and getting deep and wide hits from big PR houses and magazine publishers seemed like a pretty good deal to me.

Tastespotting doesn't have ads up, it looks like there is no revenue stream there at all.

NotCot itself (and all of it's affiliated sites) is about trendspotting and not monitizing my content for themselves.

Not sure how this is comparable to the multinational chocolate company asking for free photos...?

Anonymous said...

Tastespotting does have ads, quite a few of them. Scroll down to the bottom. I also believe their top banner might be an ad.

Sam said...

either way they took my copyrighted photos without my permission and I don't happen to currently value hits as currency, which is my choice to make, not theirs.

I don't hate tastespotting by any means - I kind of quite like them actually - and its an unfortunate circumstance - but my fondness for them doesn't give them jurisdiction to break my own clearly set out rules. That's stepping over my line.

It's ok now - we have come to an agreement that they don't publish my photos anymore.

Look at the bottom of the page - they are currently openly trying to attract advertisers for Tastespotting and they definitely used to have ads at the top of the page.

Anonymous said...

Sam: totally get, agree.

I didn't see the ads even yesterday, will have to look again and see why I am not seeing it.

If they are then I am going to have sit down and think about this.

Why think about it? Because they are driving quite a lot of traffic, some of it from images posted ages ago.they do not link to flickr but my pages so it gives me traffic... Then there is the trouble of "opting out". Man, what a pain.

Eva said...

PS: I wanted to figure out how flexible/humorous these guys are and suggested that if they can't give away money, I would also accept an appropriate amount of Lindt chocolate. Well, as expected this didn't quite work out...

@Cybele - thank you, I'm quite flattered!

Seduction Meals said...

Very interesting to read all the comments. I used to own a repping agency for photographers and support services and I believe you should be paid for your work and the fee should be based on the specific usage and for the period of time it will be used. I also believe there are cause-related requests that may move you, free publicity, and/or other barters than can be made to the advantage of both parties, but ALWAYS get the details in writing before you submit your images/assets.

I've seen some amazing photography on food blogs that come close to professional photographer's work. There is a value associtate with that - don't be afraid to ask what you are worth or what the market will bear. The communal advice shared here is really great.

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